MS II PCB 3.0 assembly progress, and questions.

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RacnJsn95
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MS II PCB 3.0 assembly progress, and questions.

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Just FYI, my initial thread I plan to continue once I start the installation, is here: http://msefi.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=40540

Received my MS II pcb 3.0 kit today along with a bunch of other goodies from DIY, and jumped right in. So far I think I'm into this thing for about 6 hrs, I kinda lost track because I started out so shaky that after the first hour, I decided I needed to go have lunch and a couple beers to calm my nerves. After that, no more shakes, work continued. Plugged away with no problems, every section tested out perfect... *Keep in mind I am only trying to fun fuel only at the moment, but am entertaining the through of timing control later down the road if the fuel stuff works out.*

Where I finally started getting confused was at step 50 on the Mega Manual. I sat around and read the manual over and over, and tried searching the forums but couldn't really decide on a "solid" answer. Obviously I decided against step 50b, and went with 50a, because I wasn't planning on triggering off the neg side of the coil, and would like to use the tach output off of the MSD 6AL box I currently have, which I believe is a square wave signal?

As the instructions mentioned for 50a in the note, I decided to install D2, but put a jumper wire between the leads (essentially shorting it out). I did this because I didn't want to have to try and put D2 back in later if I needed to because I don't know if I could do it with the tools on hand (I imagine I'd have to get a solder vacuum or something, I don't think the solder wick I have would be very easy to do it with), and according to the manual I could just cut the jumper, and WHAMMY the D2 is already there and would work as planned. Also installed a jumper at D1 as per instructions...

At the time I decided NOT to assemble the VR circuit because I couldn't make sense of what the manual was saying, combined with what I was reading with the MSD 6A/L ignition control found here... According to the MSD ign control page, the green & violet wires are not used... Those are the wires that connect to my distributor. The page says to use the white wire as the output from the MSII, which would be the input to the 6AL box. The MSD page says "V3 input: * Hall sensor, optical sensor, points: feed the signal directly to MegaSquirt® on DB37 pin #24 by using the Hall sensor circuit described in step #50/52 of the assembly guide. " Right? SO the signal, in my case, would be the tach output on the 6AL box... On the bottom of the 6AL box, it says to "Never use the white wire, and the GRN/VILT wires are the same time"... Well without the GRN/VILT wires connected to the distributor, the MSD box has no rpm input, and thus no tach output for the MS II box, hence the car doesn't run, and I get sad. I did some searching, and haven't come across any other threads with someone running an MSD distributor to directly trigger the MS II, so I don't know exactly what I should do here... Build the VR circuit, and (hopefully) get the signal from the distributor, then output to the white wire on the MSD box? Maybe I'm over analyzing this?

As it is, I believe I should be able to run the 6AL box off of the MSD distributor via the GRN/VILT wires as usual, and trigger the MS II via the tach output wire from the 6AL box with the Hall/opto circuit (50a) I have already assembled to run fuel only... Am I correct?

The other question I had was... Is there a good way to get the screw holes in the case going? When I tried to assemble the relay board most of the screws never got screwed all the way in, and the heads more or less ended up stripped out. I ended up siliconing the case sides to the main body because I didn't want them flopping around.

Anyway that's all for today, If I can find the time to finish the output section tomorrow, I will, but it might be a few days before I can get to it. Below is a picture of what I've done so far. I've also been taking pictures of each "section" of the manual, I was thinking of making a thread with them for people to view... I liked the v2.2 manual a lot better because it had an illustration of what you would be installing in each section, where as the 3.0 section does not. I personally feel that would speed the process along somewhat.

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Re: MS II PCB 3.0 assembly progress, and questions.

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You may as well install the VR circuit as you have the choice whether to use it or not afterwards. This more or less applies to the whole MS - you can just build the entire thing, as most configurations can be done later.

If you do need to remove a component afterwards for any reason, don't try and save it. The important bit is not to damage the PCB. Snip the old one off the board using small sharp snips and remove each 'leg' individually. Heat the PCB pad with your iron and push the tail out with an off-cut of wire, if you can't get small pliers on it. Or a small twist drill (smaller than the hole) A pin drill set is very useful for this.
The holes in this PCB are only just larger than the component leads, so even a pro de-solder set won't remove the solder properly. Once you've removed the tail, clean up the hole with solder braid.

As regards the case screws, you need the correct Pozidriv screwdriver - not a Philips. You'll then find they cut their own threads easily.
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RacnJsn95
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Re: MS II PCB 3.0 assembly progress, and questions.

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OK, I finished the unit last night, plugged in the stim, and got it going on tuner studio... While the stim was lighting up flashing like I assumed it should, the lights on the front of the MS case were not. I soldered them in backwards. This morning, took them out, tested them to make sure they still worked, and put them back in the right way, now they are flashing as the all should... I'm not very trusting of this stim as its the first thing I soldered, and I used lead free solder.

Couple more questions here...

1) The IG light on the stim basically stays lit the whole time, If I turn the RPMs down to say 3-400 or less, it faintly starts to flash, anything higher it just stays lit. Is this normal? With 8 cylinders that is a lot of ignition events, so I think its probably ok? FYI I did decide to build the VR circuit, but have it jumpered as a Hall/optical/points setup on the bottom. I did not populate the high current ign driver, and I have jumpered IGN to JS10. I am not planning on using the MSII to run ignition.
*NOTE* After reading the a couple of pages in the manual about this, since I am not trying to use the MS to control ignition at this time, it looks like I don't even need the IGN to JS10 jumper at this time. Would it be better to remove it until I do decide to attempt ign control, or is it ok left there, just don't include the wire in the harness?

2) The fast idle light on the stim will not light no matter what settings I have the stim on. I have everything setup, and jumpered to run an 4 wire IAC stepper motor, I don't know if that matters. The WUE LED on the MSII case does light at at the proper CLT, and Tuner Studio shows WUE on with the LED on... Not sure if it's a stim problem, an MS box problem, or no problem.

If neither of these are problems, then I believe I have successfully assembled a working MS II 3.0, and its time to work on the harness... :yeah!:

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Re: MS II PCB 3.0 assembly progress, and questions.

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#1 sounds normal, and if you have it set to stepper mode (this is the default setting in MS2 B&G code), #2 does too.
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