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new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:09 pm
by sweet85chevy
i am new to the efi world mainly do a alot of carbs but really cant afford the gas mileage i need to go to efi so i need alittle help i want to switch my sbc 350 carb over to efi what system would be the best to swap it over and still use HEI

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:30 pm
by kjones6039
There are any number of possibilities for a SBC. My first MS project was a TPI setup with HEI using MSII v3.0 and B&G code on my 79 Corvette. Before I moved on to my current project (in my signature) I was getting 26 mpg.

I have a couple of pics of my TPI project at : http://www.kandlservices.com/tpi

Good luck!

Ken

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:51 pm
by sweet85chevy
26 mpg you say what were you running for gears in the rear and what trans

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:47 pm
by sweet85chevy
also can i use any HEI i want

Re: new to efi

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:29 am
by Matt Cramer
sweet85chevy wrote:also can i use any HEI i want
Pretty much. With a 4 pin HEI module, the distributor advance mechanism would control timing; with a 7 or 8 pin HEI, the MS2 will have no problem controlling timing. We have a series of articles on converting a 350 from carbs to EFI - first with just a TBI swap, then with a TBI and ignition control, and finally stepping up to multi-port using a Stealth Ram.

http://www.DIYAutoTune.com/tech_article ... 1-nova.htm

Re: new to efi

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:25 am
by kjones6039
sweet85chevy wrote:26 mpg you say what were you running for gears in the rear and what trans
That was with a 3.55:1 rear end and TH700R4 transmission (.7:1overdrive)

Ken

Re: new to efi

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:16 pm
by sweet85chevy
Matt Cramer wrote:
sweet85chevy wrote:also can i use any HEI i want
Pretty much. With a 4 pin HEI module, the distributor advance mechanism would control timing; with a 7 or 8 pin HEI, the MS2 will have no problem controlling timing. We have a series of articles on converting a 350 from carbs to EFI - first with just a TBI swap, then with a TBI and ignition control, and finally stepping up to multi-port using a Stealth Ram.

http://www.DIYAutoTune.com/tech_article ... 1-nova.htm
this helps thanks so do i have to get the relay board

Re: new to efi

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:25 am
by Matt Cramer
The relay board is optional, although it makes wiring a bit easier. We often use it when wiring up a car not originally wired for EFI, but you can also use a conventional fuse block or find some sort of relay module in a junkyard. Your call.

Re: new to efi

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:03 pm
by sweet85chevy
ok thanks this helps alot

Re: new to efi

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:20 am
by convertables_10
Im in the middle of swapping my 85 Jimmy over to Tbi injection controlled by Megasquirt here is the link to my build thread.
http://www.v8s10.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29063

Re: new to efi

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:02 pm
by sweet85chevy
do you have to use the stimulator

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:35 am
by trakkies
sweet85chevy wrote:do you have to use the stimulator
IMHO many faults are in the loom. Either actual wiring or connections. The stim can eliminate the MS as being the problem. I found a breakout box even more useful - allows you to actually check loom wiring easily. Or use a DB37 connector with tails for this as a cheaper option.

Re: new to efi

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:27 am
by sweet85chevy
can i take a 4 pin HEI dizzy and put a different 7 pin module

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:46 am
by Matt Cramer
sweet85chevy wrote:can i take a 4 pin HEI dizzy and put a different 7 pin module
As long as you lock out the advance mechanism. Where I live, you can find oodles of 7 pin distributors for $20 each at the you-pull-it junkyards - look for TBI pickups and vans.

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:24 am
by convertables_10
I have 2 of the 7 pin variants around the house and would be willing to let one go. I went edis instead.

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:37 am
by 8974Ollie
sweet85chevy wrote:can i take a 4 pin HEI dizzy and put a different 7 pin module
Yes, I did for a traditional Pontiac engine where there are no EFI traditional Pontiac engines. How ever there are EFI versions of the sbc. visit a local Pick a part yard and look for an EFI version of a sbc engine.

Re: new to efi

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:58 pm
by sweet85chevy
8974Ollie wrote:
sweet85chevy wrote:can i take a 4 pin HEI dizzy and put a different 7 pin module
Yes, I did for a traditional Pontiac engine where there are no EFI traditional Pontiac engines. How ever there are EFI versions of the sbc. visit a local Pick a part yard and look for an EFI version of a sbc engine.
so i cant use the ones with the coil on top i have to use the tbi one

Re: new to efi

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:16 am
by Matt Cramer
sweet85chevy wrote: so i cant use the ones with the coil on top i have to use the tbi one
You can also use the TPI version, which does have a coil-in-cap setup.

Re: new to efi

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:56 am
by sweet85chevy
Matt Cramer wrote:
sweet85chevy wrote: so i cant use the ones with the coil on top i have to use the tbi one
You can also use the TPI version, which does have a coil-in-cap setup.
ok thanks